# Yamadori advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Horticulture\ **Created:** [January 16, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323 "2025-01-16T16:20:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/1 "2025-01-16T16:20:50Z")
Hi all, I’ve been given permission to did this Lonicera stump near my work. It is roughly 6 inches wide at it’s thickest that is above the soil line. I have noticed a thick root a good foot below the trunk, do I did above of below this root? Further, the stump is on a slope, what’s the best way to approach getting this tree out of the ground without losing major roots. Should I try and get underneath the tree from the sloped side? ![1000026740](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/a/2/a2059b7abdf39cce5bd92d9d73c13c900b4c9adf.jpeg) ![1000026738](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/6/8/682e55be48968274faa125a66f5bdbff6e1a40bb.jpeg) ![1000026737](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/a/2/a22877be3620aa9aac2b7170602ecfa6e1f8c33d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![NEBeech](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/nebeech/32/37888_2.png) [@NEBeech](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/NEBeech)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2025, 9:25pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/2 "2025-01-17T21:25:47Z")
Unfamiliar with the species but regardless of start on the high side of the slop 1-2 feet outside the trunk excavating in looking for pockets of feeder roots coming off structural surfaces roots. Working all the way in and up under the sheen the. Pivot to the low side repeat that processes. Check out what that root has in relation to what you have saved. I don’t think any of us could tell you to save or ignore that root with any certainty based on 3 pictures. Get as much feeder roots as possible then the after care will be you make or break. You can also reference the urban yamadori video Ryan posted when he removed his Andromeda/pieres. ---
**Author:** ![MartyWeiser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@MartyWeiser](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/MartyWeiser)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 1:40am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/3 "2025-01-18T01:40:45Z")
> [@KurtisM](#): > > Lonicera Some good collecting advice from @NEBeech. Lonicera is also known as honeysuckle and based upon the one we had as a kid, my guess is that it will grow even if no feeder roots are found - i.e. a large cutting. ---
**Author:** ![TheBarber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@TheBarber](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/TheBarber)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 3:01pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/4 "2025-01-18T15:01:59Z")
They are bulletproof, pretty sure large branches will grow roots when shoved in soil. Thats why they insanely invasive. ---
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 12:17pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/5 "2025-01-30T12:17:54Z")
Hi all, Thank you for so much helpful feedback! I have done a small amount of work (around my job) to clear some more of the top soil and expose the trunk and nebari. As I go I am finding so much more trunk that its changed by idea from a twisted upright to a low, fat almost sumo style tree, think the Queen Elizabeth Oak in the UK. I plan to collect this month and will update you! ![PXL_20250124_151611507](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/f/7/f7552852eea93cbdcc4aa4c57ad97be45d8ce189.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![TheBarber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@TheBarber](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/TheBarber)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 1:58am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/6 "2025-02-07T01:58:29Z")
Personally I would just take a sawzall and cut an angled circle around it. Their roots grow rediculously fast, ive had them root up through the bottom of tubs ive had yamadori growing in to the point they had to be cut free from the ground, they were definitely not roots from the pines and spruces. The honeysuckle i collected last winter pushed branches around half an inch thick the first year. The base on mine is like 10 inches or so. Be sure and wire movement early or the branches become brittle as can be. ![1000026480](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/5/7/57e741ef691b39e1aeab3300a7f142aa4ebc2a03.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 10:20am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/7 "2025-02-07T10:20:37Z")
Another week and I have managed a little more clearance. This thing is a bit of a beast and much larger than originally thought! Chop stick is 8 inches long. Think the rear edge (that is buried in the hill) will be another 8 inches back will be a dinner plate sized Nebari for a stump less than a foot tall! Can also start to see the movement in the buried section as I had 5 minutes to start that before having to stop. Hoping to find some more next week and dig by the end of the month! ![PXL_20250205_164246323](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/d/f/df553ccad7c3784987dd9737ce36818bcd1219b6.jpeg) ![20250205_173325-COLLAGE](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/7/7/77504964390e0a1c7e1034acb7702d59e5f1b94d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/8 "2025-03-07T22:44:33Z")
After a couple hard days work it’s done! ![PXL_20250302_153225385](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/e/b/eb8e40360790587aef54273c9a4538b206fd9b24.jpeg) ![20250301_162427-COLLAGE](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/c/9/c9ecd8904990cb2c4318b1459bbe547af0e9de48.jpeg) ![PXL_20250301_153641281~2](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/2/2/2282ac07f6dc1984abb92bb0d951ffdc47e74c7f.jpeg) ![PXL_20250302_153232860](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/4/c/4c83affb38d675b9c1ba7b2e046a42bdec6bc3f3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/9 "2025-03-07T22:45:39Z")
![PXL_20250305_182222203](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/3/1/3199485df185b0e6d6d1fa0704db986196b2397b.jpeg) ![PXL_20250305_182233723](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/9/6/96d949ac480c95aa3e769783d8d3b6207da986b2.jpeg) As it can’t really represent a real tree, apart from maybe an ancient oak, I’m thinking of leaning into a mythical design. Let me know what you think! ---
**Author:** ![SilentConifers](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/silentconifers/32/38121_2.png) [@SilentConifers](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/SilentConifers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 7:05am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/10 "2025-03-10T07:05:25Z")
Hey, thanks for updating your post with the pics of the tree after you collected and then planted it into the grow box. I dig the sound of leaning into the fantasy vibe of it. That trunk is crazy big. If you could even out the taper even just a little on some of the branches this can be really cool looking tree. Hope it recovers! ---
**Author:** ![NEBeech](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/nebeech/32/37888_2.png) [@NEBeech](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/NEBeech)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 10:57am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/11 "2025-03-10T10:57:17Z")
Strong work, looks great 👍 ---
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2025, 9:50pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/12 "2025-03-11T21:50:56Z")
My friend said it looks a bit like shreks house so I’m almost tempted to sort a tiny door for the centre. The diagonal piece below the green in the centre isn’t attached. ---
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2026, 4:19pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/13 "2026-03-30T16:19:23Z")
**Update:** This thing has gone absolutely wild. Has pushed fresh growth all over and rapidly. Pic 1 is between October 25 and March 26. Pic 2 and 3 are another couple angles of this fresh growth. Pic 3 is my loose idea of what I am aiming for. Any advice or critiques welcomed. ![20260314_172721-COLLAGE](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/1/8/186213253fb638d4a4e65ae6686e0b08224a4505.jpeg) ![PXL_20260227_073711916](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/5/8/584f03d8ec07ad961e97dc770aaa2a3af665b36e.jpeg) ![lonicera-design-v0-mmjyewt0z6sg1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/4/e/4e9d4216ba7eb01bfad801742619d109e285e2e7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 10:33pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/14 "2026-07-25T22:33:43Z")
Another update on this tree. I’m now pretty sure it’s actually a bunch of separate Lonicera shrubs that have fuse into on mass. ![1000044419](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/7/c/7c449658a55108bc70bf94c2c413c664cc51f0f1.jpeg) I knew the bottom piece of wood was a loose separate shrub so removed it. I then found out the section behind was not soil but old rotten dead wood so I carved it out. ![1000044421](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/7/1/717b5dae84b2ca2e9bfb88fff2f86db5cc77b5ff.jpeg) And planted the living piece. ![1000044427](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/7/3/73e7e3f070005744a4fed78b151df9779c5163ed.jpeg) ![1000044428](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/9/c/9c7a3793725431a412c6a0596136d073ddc19ed7.jpeg) ![1000044429](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/0/5/055c4796cca83c174d42c7adf7fd3f8ebc152e2f.jpeg) ![1000044430](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/b/e/be52333be0033fdceb83d82eb4cf208d9b345415.jpeg) I then gave it a thorough cut back and selected primary branches. Finally there were thick dead branches protruding from the trunk they had been cut back before I collected it. I have cleared the majority of the pithy wood and tried to creat channels for water too escape. ![1000044788](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/1/a/1aefae41c65ff2e77980baf9108fd65307aec6ed.jpeg) ![1000044796](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/1/4/14b33049a4c22b731664178896c2801ec0ded28b.jpeg) ![1000044795](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/f/3/f3b0b41189ee2f212d54ed0e3d075a5b13a6f921.jpeg) ![1000044799](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/8/2/8240f5c02fba4181b642af352eea7ba6f330eaae.jpeg) I need to guy wire it still but I ran out of time but this is the final product. ![1000044816](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/3/4/340628c1129c1169850c4cb6e12d4cd13b41c56d.jpeg) My inspiration is ancient olive trees. Next steps is to let it grow out. Question about the carved dead wood. Do I need to clear out ALL of the pithy wood or just the damp? I plan to treat with lime sulphur then potentially a super glue as suggested by Harry Harrington. Any comment of opinions welcome! ---
**Author:** ![KurtisM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3e96dc/32.png) [@KurtisM](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/KurtisM)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2026, 10:37pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/yamadori-advice/12323/15 "2026-07-25T22:37:44Z")
![1000044896](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/1/7/170794a1e03ea5cf12a247c0d8643a5da026a37d.jpeg)A before and after the work. ![1000044895](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/f/e/feb9ecf0f083af1cc78fa089409df723c934cca4.jpeg)Tree with an Olive for inspiration. ![1000044434](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/3/6/361b515235bacec3d083b6bc67e2596107c07f42.jpeg) ![1000044476](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/3X/3/c/3c60ef92ec2bd1167dca85c453f07cb47a97b50d.jpeg)And more detailed shot of the hollow.