# Pinus nigra - "long-needle" or "short"?

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**Category:** Beginners\
**Created:** [May 29, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/pinus-nigra-long-needle-or-short/3340 "2019-05-29T23:43:13Z")\
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**Author:** ![treebeard55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@treebeard55](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/treebeard55)\
**Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/pinus-nigra-long-needle-or-short/3340/1 "2019-05-29T23:43:13Z")

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Much of Ryan’s advice on pines is based on whether the species is long- or short-needle, and single-flush or multi-flush. Does anyone know what Austrian pine, _Pinus nigra_, is considered to be? It’s a single-flush, but its needles seem to be sort of, well, “medium”. So do I treat it like a ponderosa, or like a Scots?

(Sometimes after 30 years one still has beginner-level questions. Never be afraid to ask them.)

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**Author:** ![nmhansen](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/nmhansen/32/114_2.png) [@nmhansen](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/nmhansen)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:31am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/pinus-nigra-long-needle-or-short/3340/2 "2019-05-30T02:31:02Z")

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I was just watching a pine video (I think one of the more recent ones) and I believe Ryan said it’s a long needle pine.

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**Author:** ![Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Carl](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Carl)\
**Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/pinus-nigra-long-needle-or-short/3340/3 "2019-05-30T04:24:48Z")

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Definitely a long needle 🙂

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**Author:** ![PutItInTheGround](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d26b3c/32.png) [@PutItInTheGround](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/PutItInTheGround)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 5:51am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/pinus-nigra-long-needle-or-short/3340/4 "2019-06-01T05:51:38Z")

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I asked this on a recent Q&A and he said it’s a blend of a bunch of stuff. I have to rewath and take notes but it’s this most recently posted Q&A. #19

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**Author:** ![cab\_lad\_70](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/cab_lad_70/32/9253_2.png) [@cab\_lad\_70](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/cab_lad_70)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/pinus-nigra-long-needle-or-short/3340/5 "2021-05-04T06:08:09Z")

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On a related note - I am confused by some common names.  
Do the names ‘Austrian Black Pine’, ‘Austrian Mountain Pine’ & ‘Austrian Pine’ all refer to Pinus nigra?

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**Author:** ![Tac](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/tac/32/15380_2.png) [@Tac](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Tac)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2021, 5:28pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/pinus-nigra-long-needle-or-short/3340/6 "2021-05-04T17:28:27Z")

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They are “outlier pines.” Ryan has two videos on pinus nigra.  
[https://live.bonsaimirai.com/library/video/austrian-black-pine-nursery-stock-design](https://live.bonsaimirai.com/library/video/austrian-black-pine-nursery-stock-design)  
[https://live.bonsaimirai.com/library/video/austrian-black-pine-decandling](https://live.bonsaimirai.com/library/video/austrian-black-pine-decandling)