# Hinoki design help **URL:** \ **Category:** Design\ **Created:** [August 7, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858 "2019-08-07T12:43:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bonsai\_Bentley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/bonsai_bentley/32/7792_2.png) [@Bonsai\_Bentley](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Bonsai_Bentley)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/1 "2019-08-07T12:43:54Z")
Picked up another but of nursery stock. Pretty happy with the base and movement. Gonna plant it in a grow bag to let it thicken a bit. I haven’t done much to it so far besides setting the movement in the main branch. I’m not sure what to do with these two branches though. They’re the biggest primary branches on the tree, but they originate from the trunk right next to each other. The lower of the two has the most foliage, but that will change when I clean the tree and get rid of whorls. Here are the options I’m considering. 1. Keep both branches, but shorten the lower one over time as I get back budding. That will make the top one the defining branch 2. Remove/Jin the lower 3. Remove/Jin the upper ![MVIMG_20190807_074702](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/2X/2/26395ff2fa3b9313bec17875b291766ac5573c63.jpeg) ![IMG_20190807_074714](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/2X/d/dc401487a1887d4c9235293a3cd06e4670ed23f0.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![nmhansen](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/nmhansen/32/114_2.png) [@nmhansen](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/nmhansen)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/2 "2019-08-07T16:41:13Z")
Hinokis are notoriously bad at back budding. Don’t plan on it. Be conservative in your cleaning approach, leaving some green if you want to expand foliage mass. Good news is that foliage will regenerate from just a few nodes of green foliage. The hinoki aesthetics stream is a fantastic resource for hinoki. [https://live.bonsaimirai.com/library/video/hinoki-aesthetics](https://live.bonsaimirai.com/library/video/hinoki-aesthetics) ---
**Author:** ![Bonsai\_Bentley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/bonsai_bentley/32/7792_2.png) [@Bonsai\_Bentley](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Bonsai_Bentley)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/3 "2019-08-07T17:03:39Z")
Man, I’ve watched that one like 5 times because I have a golden hinoki as well. I’m super reluctant to cut off either branch because I worry about lack of primary branches due to lack of back budding along the trunk. Although, didn’t Ryan mention that it will back bud along a branch? When I styled my first hinoki I was very conservative because I didn’t want to rely on back budding. However, this one has very long sections of branching before I get any foliage though, so I’m hoping that I’ll at least get back budding along a primary branch. I’m going to keep a bunch of foliar mass until then, so it’ll be an ugly duckling for a while. I just worry about having that having two primary branches basically originate from the same place is going to be ugly. ---
**Author:** ![Bonsai\_Bentley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/bonsai_bentley/32/7792_2.png) [@Bonsai\_Bentley](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Bonsai_Bentley)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/4 "2019-08-07T18:44:24Z")
Another thing I just realized is that those two branches are on the inside of the major curve which is a no-no. ---
**Author:** ![Bonsai\_Bentley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/bonsai_bentley/32/7792_2.png) [@Bonsai\_Bentley](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Bonsai_Bentley)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/5 "2019-08-08T13:44:49Z")
Okay, after basically rubber ducking this I’ve decided to remove the lower branch and jin the upper one. I clipped them last night and it turned out better than I thought it would. I’ll post pics later. I sure do hope I get better at design. This is the second tree I’m designing and I’m struggling lol. ---
**Author:** ![nmhansen](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/nmhansen/32/114_2.png) [@nmhansen](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/nmhansen)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/6 "2019-08-08T14:50:16Z")
Hah. Glad it worked. Sometimes it’s good to break the design fundamentals, but a lot of the time it’s good to remember that the fundamentals are there for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Bonsai\_Bentley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/bonsai_bentley/32/7792_2.png) [@Bonsai\_Bentley](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Bonsai_Bentley)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/7 "2019-08-08T15:32:55Z")
Man, I’m at the point where I have to understand the fundamentals first before I start to break them. It’s a bit daunting at times. I’ve been watching streams for a couple of months now and now that I’m finally getting my hands into the trees it’s like I’ve learned nothing. 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Christoph](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/christoph/32/6503_2.png) [@Christoph](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Christoph)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/8 "2019-09-03T20:12:18Z")
I‘m feeling with you… 😊 last weekend I made my first ever attempt at styling a larger nursery stock tree into a bonsai after watching the nursery stock series and design fundamentals streams forward and backward… I found a nice hinoki in a nursery and spent the entire Sunday in a zone working on the tree. I‘m sure I must have broken lots of rules (and quite a few branches I didn’t mean to). Still I‘m pretty happy with the result. But it was really scary to make the big decisions and cuts. ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/2X/9/913407759c375c7301f133690d395f767f0af8ea.jpeg) ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/2X/6/6e88af3fe7be17e915f3594d45587c6375ec3c9e.jpeg) Curious to see how your tree looks with the branch removed and jin. ---
**Author:** ![Bonsai\_Bentley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/bonsai_bentley/32/7792_2.png) [@Bonsai\_Bentley](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Bonsai_Bentley)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/9 "2019-09-03T23:36:44Z")
That’s cool. I’m liking hinoki the more I run into them. I’ve cleaned it up slightly and jinned a branch. It’ll be going into the ground soon, but here’s an updated pic. I haven’t done any styling on it besides the main trunk bend. ![IMG_20190902_113729](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/2X/d/d09c126a1d4ad0745dd5ee23f444a5870c727801.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Christoph](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/christoph/32/6503_2.png) [@Christoph](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Christoph)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/10 "2019-09-04T16:38:14Z")
Really nice. I admire your patience. Something I definitely still have to learn. ---
**Author:** ![Bonsai\_Bentley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/bonsai_bentley/32/7792_2.png) [@Bonsai\_Bentley](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Bonsai_Bentley)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/11 "2019-09-04T17:02:15Z")
Haha, I have very little. The key is to have a bunch of trees lol. ---
**Author:** ![Bonsai\_Bentley](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.bonsaimirai.com/bonsai_bentley/32/7792_2.png) [@Bonsai\_Bentley](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/u/Bonsai_Bentley)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://forum.bonsaimirai.com/t/hinoki-design-help/3858/12 "2019-09-08T22:00:55Z")
I’ve always kind of felt iffy about the bend I put into the hinoki. It just felt weird to have the apex so horizontal. Today I made it a bit more upright and leaned towards the viewer. That still felt off, so I tilted it forward and that was the key. It’s funny how pictures never do the trees any justice. 😕 It’s in a grow bag in the ground now for at least one full year. I may go 18 months or more. We’ll see. ![IMG_20190908_160046](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/2X/4/432717a6b4a514776b44beaf32066fae3548b250.jpeg) ![IMG_20190908_170442](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/uploads/bonsaimirai/original/2X/9/9490366cad40879dc1737d61c82eb59c4973a971.jpeg)